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  From:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   7/9/2001 9:01 pm  
To:  ALL   (1 of 18)  
 
  113.1  
 
I have a question that probably goes out to a lot of you. 
What does it feel like to grow up not having Jesus in your life and to be a "church hater" or whatever they are called, and to be an athiest? I have always been a Christian and always will. 

I have no doubt that he is real and that he has a special mission for me. I don't know what that is, but I'm ready to do as he says. 

He loves all of us, and no matter what you did, or said about him he will be there for you. And I can't imangine life without him and that is why I asked the question I asked. 

Shelly 

 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/9/2001 9:04 pm  
To:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   (2 of 18)  
 
  113.2 in reply to 113.1  
 
NEPTUN: 
What does it feel like to grow up not having Jesus in your life and to be a "church hater" or whatever they are called, and to be an athiest? I have always been a Christian and always will. 
RUSS: 
When I was growing up I was Jewish, not a church hater. I hated no one. When I got a bit older, I found Jesus completely repulsive. Then, after some time, I found Him to be my Savior.... 




In the name of Yeshua haMashiach,
God bless you,
Russ



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  From:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   7/9/2001 9:07 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (3 of 18)  
 
  113.3 in reply to 113.2  
 
*smile* thank you 
 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/10/2001 2:47 pm  
To:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   (4 of 18)  
 
  113.4 in reply to 113.1  
 
I was raised Russian Orthodox and devout Christian. I formally took myself out of the religion at the age of 11 because I saw too many contradictions in both the Bible and church history. I was usually scoffed at for finding these contradictions although I knew in my heart that I was right. 
I grew up quite well, I think. I have a sparkling clean criminal record (not so much as a speeding ticket), I don't drink (although I smoke cigarettes), and I'm extremely successful in everything I do. I have a well defined path of morals and spiritual code which I follow strictly. I have never had a problem with what I believe ever since I left the church. 

God, in no way, shape or form, has ever effected my life. Frankly, I believe that spending more time developing myself than what I spent on the concept of God has made me a better person. If nothing else, it at least taught me to think for myself and use common sense despite what everyone (including the Bible and the government) tells me to do. The majority is often not only wrong, but morally wrong.


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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  From:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   7/10/2001 3:38 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (5 of 18)  
 
  113.5 in reply to 113.4  
 
thank you for replying 


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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/10/2001 6:41 pm  
To:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   (6 of 18)  
 
  113.6 in reply to 113.5  
 
Quit welcome... 
Although I'm curious as to what David delted. 

David, may I ask a favor of you? (I think a number of people on the board will also appreciate this.) After you edit or delete something, could you give a short explination as to "why" you did such? It doesn't have to be long or go into detail, but it would be nice to have a one or two sentence explination. It would help us posters know what to steer clear of and it would help you by reducing your work load. =) 

Just an idea.


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/10/2001 6:50 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (7 of 18)  
 
  113.7 in reply to 113.6  
 
Sure! 
I deleted a block of several links to: 
Teenage fantasy forums 





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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/10/2001 7:48 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 18)  
 
  113.8 in reply to 113.7  
 
Okie, cool. 
I think this should help your PR image a little. *wink* 

People can't cry "wolf" if you point out that the wolf is really just a funny looking sheep.


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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/11/2001 10:36 am  
To:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   (9 of 18)  
 
  113.9 in reply to 113.1  
 
What does it feel like to grow up not having Jesus in your life? 
Well, this is kind of a loaded question. To me, it sounds an awful lot like "What does it feel like to not have 'brain cancer' in your life?" If you have never had brain cancer to begin with, how do you know what it is like?

Now for those of us who have HAD "brain cancer" and got RID of it, we would answer that we were very grateful to not have "brain cancer" in our lives any more.

The answers to the above questions would be similar, I suspect, to what a "church hating" (haha!) atheist might answer.

Cheers!






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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/11/2001 11:29 am  
To:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   (10 of 18)  
 
  113.10 in reply to 113.9  
 
Actually brain cancer would appropriately be considered the deadly condition of Sin, and Christianity as the Cure for the Fatal brain cancer. 



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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   7/11/2001 11:41 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 18)  
 
  113.11 in reply to 113.10  
 
Actually brain cancer would appropriately be considered the deadly condition of Sin, and Christianity as the Cure for the Fatal brain cancer. 
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So you are saying that everyone who has Brain Cancer or any other disease has such for being a sinner and are being punished by God? 
Just looking for a clarification here. 

Al Kupone
 
  
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  From:  BenRDeemed (ScottR1982)   7/11/2001 11:44 am  
To:  Little One (Neptune_chik)   (12 of 18)  
 
  113.12 in reply to 113.1  
 
Shelly, 
Those who grew up Christian wont know how to answer. 
Those who grew up non-Christian and maintained that way would not know how to answer, as it is hard to describe a comparison to something you have never known. 
Those who grew up non-Christian but became Christian, may be able to answer you. 

I personally was saved at 10, so my non-Christian era was short lived and as a child. I was baptized in water at 13, baptized in the Holy Spirit at 16, first spoke with tongues at 18. 

I let myself walk away from an active faith at 22 and did not return until I turned 30. Since then I have had a growing love for the Lord, and deeper richer relationship with Jesus, and a love for God's word. I would not trade my life for anyone elses on this board (either saved or not). 

God's blessings 
Scott
 
  
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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   7/11/2001 11:48 am  
To:  BenRDeemed (ScottR1982)   (13 of 18)  
 
  113.13 in reply to 113.12  
 
<first spoke with tongues at 18.> 
Really? Can you describe the act of speaking in tongues? 

Al Kupone
 
  
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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/11/2001 12:24 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 18)  
 
  113.14 in reply to 113.10  
 
Actually brain cancer would appropriately be considered the deadly condition of Sin, and Christianity as the Cure for the Fatal brain cancer.
No. In my analogy I meant it exactly as I wrote it. Not everyone, and especially atheists to whom the original question was directed, sees xtianity as a wonderfully good thing. Hence the analogy to brain cancer. Please don't confuse the response as it was sincere and maybe enlightening to the poster.






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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/11/2001 12:26 pm  
To:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   (15 of 18)  
 
  113.15 in reply to 113.13  
 
Can you describe the act of speaking in tongues? 
It happens every time David writes a response to one of Bob's posts...

(That was a JOKE, David!)

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  From:  BenRDeemed (ScottR1982)   7/11/2001 12:39 pm  
To:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   (16 of 18)  
 
  113.16 in reply to 113.13  
 
No, I actually cannot describe the act. No more then I can describe the act of falling in love. But then, can we describe the act of speaking in any language? 
I am aware that words are coming out of which I do not understand. It is not something I use in public, as that gift has never been given to me. Paul called it utterings too deep for words. I do control when they start and when they stop. They do edify my spirit. 

I am sorry that I cannot explain it better. 

God's blessings 
Scott
 
  
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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/11/2001 1:58 pm  
To:  BenRDeemed (ScottR1982)   (17 of 18)  
 
  113.17 in reply to 113.16  
 
Paul called it utterings too deep for words. 
I call it "Tequila".

(Another joke. My apologies, I once saw a person "speaking in tongues" and everyone in the church was standing amazed. It wasn't until a short burst of Pig Latin came out that I realized that it was a complete put-on and the person was saying anything that came to their mind. I laughed so hard I almost cried. Ever since then I have had a hard time taking these things seriously.)






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   From:  BenRDeemed (ScottR1982)   7/11/2001 2:55 pm  
To:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   (18 of 18)  
 
  113.18 in reply to 113.17  
 
In I Corinthians Paul states that tongues spoken in public need an interpreter. That person may be the person speaking with tongues or maybe another person, prompted by the Holy Spirit. If that does not occur, then they were acting on their own. Some people do that. 
Frankly, without interpretation, I would think it would scare away most non-believers. 

By the way, Paul also says the words to God, not to man (I Cor 14:2). So I also have problems with people who interpret and start with "Thus saith the Lord..." 

I enjoy a good sense of humor, I'll let you know when you find one ;0). 

God's blessings 
Scott
 
  
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